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: Please keep the focus on documentation of the spec., we don't want to explain things from the perspective of SDK users- but for someone that knows (potentially) nothing about the 3DS. The SDK does not tell the whole story of most file formats, and most people don't need to know what the SDK can do for them but what they can do without the SDK. - [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

: Please keep the focus on documentation of the spec., we don't want to explain things from the perspective of SDK users- but for someone that knows (potentially) nothing about the 3DS. The SDK does not tell the whole story of most file formats, and most people don't need to know what the SDK can do for them but what they can do without the SDK. - [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

::: "Dev/Production CIA use the same specification. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. " I originally worded it that way on the page because both CIAs [[User:3dsguy|3dsguy]] uploaded had cleartext APP data, thus I wasn't sure if CTR-SDK had an option for encrypting the dev CIAs. I don't get why [[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] re-implements about everything ctrtool already does either... --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 05:26, 12 November 2011 (CET)

::: "Dev/Production CIA use the same specification. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. " I originally worded it that way on the page because both CIAs [[User:3dsguy|3dsguy]] uploaded had cleartext APP data, thus I wasn't sure if CTR-SDK had an option for encrypting the dev CIAs. I don't get why [[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] re-implements about everything ctrtool already does either... --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 05:26, 12 November 2011 (CET)

::: - Depending on which one it was, the link that was removed at first, was a old presentation from e3. It's just out dated enough that the cia format probably hadn't been finalized. Anything before firmwares 0.10.0 - 0.11.0 neither use LZ compression nor encrypt (!) but except the use of keys, the SDK now produces .cia with close to retail specs. - [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

::: - Depending on which one it was, the link that was removed at first, was a old presentation from e3. It's just out dated enough that the cia format probably hadn't been finalized. Anything before firmwares 0.10.0 - 0.11.0 neither use LZ compression nor encrypt (!) but - except the use of keys, the SDK now produces .cia with close to retail specs. [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

::::If you like working with the windows command line be my guest. I got more progress looking at the files with 3dsexplorer... (And i'm not re-inventing 3dsexplorer didn't support cia so I added it, I will continue fixing the structure to be as accurate it can be)  --[[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] 09:48, 12 November 2011 (CET)

::::If you like working with the windows command line be my guest. I got more progress looking at the files with 3dsexplorer... (And i'm not re-inventing 3dsexplorer didn't support cia so I added it, I will continue fixing the structure to be as accurate it can be)  --[[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] 09:48, 12 November 2011 (CET)

::::: - I was thinking more the wiki and the "documentation" of the structure then the 3dsexplorer tool. (I thought this was based on binaries, though) - [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

::::: - I was thinking more the wiki and the "documentation" of the structures then 3dsexplorer tool. (I thought this was based on binaries, though) [[User:Jl12|Jl12]]

:::::I personaly like a command line tool more, but it's really annoying to have for each format another tool. Shall I create a new page for the certs and tickets?--[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] 15:06, 13 November 2011 (CET)

:::::I personaly like a command line tool more, but it's really annoying to have for each format another tool. Shall I create a new page for the certs and tickets?--[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] 15:06, 13 November 2011 (CET)

::::::The format of the certs/tickets seem to be the same as before,(besides the new signature types already described on the TMD page) not really necessary to create pages for those.(Any info on what cert is used to sign what should be on a /sys/cert.sys page or so later IMO) [[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]], you're re-inventing the wheel aka re-implementing CXI/CIA code which ctrtool had for months, which is a waste of time IMO. --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 19:24, 13 November 2011 (CET)

::::::The format of the certs/tickets seem to be the same as before,(besides the new signature types already described on the TMD page) not really necessary to create pages for those.(Any info on what cert is used to sign what should be on a /sys/cert.sys page or so later IMO) [[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]], you're re-inventing the wheel aka re-implementing CXI/CIA code which ctrtool had for months, which is a waste of time IMO. --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 19:24, 13 November 2011 (CET)