Fundraiser - Revision history

Neimod at 21:43, 12 January 2014

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	There has been alot of tinkering with the 3DS since launch, and although there have been leaps and bounds due to the combined efforts of many contributors, much of what we're doing would be expedited by extracting the boot code and other proprietary information (secrets) from the custom Nintendo SoC (System-On-a-Chip) of a retail 3DS.		There has been alot of tinkering with the 3DS since launch, and although there have been leaps and bounds due to the combined efforts of many contributors, much of what we're doing would be expedited by extracting the boot code and other proprietary information (secrets) from the custom Nintendo SoC (System-On-a-Chip) of a retail 3DS.



			= UPDATE 12/01/2013 =
			We are unable to contact user [[User:Jl12\|Jl12]] for months now, if you can contact this user please let us know. His email address gspeer012 (at) gmail (dot) com. For now the fundraiser is suspended.

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	= UPDATE 06/07/2013 =		= UPDATE 06/07/2013 =
	The fundraiser will remain open until it raises approximately 2,300 in order to pay for the decapping and the applicable taxes. Thus the fundraiser is still running.		The fundraiser will remain open until it raises approximately 2,300 in order to pay for the decapping and the applicable taxes. Thus the fundraiser is still running.


	= What is chip decapping? =		= What is chip decapping? =
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	= How can I help? =		= How can I help? =
	If you'd like to donate and help contribute to this cause you can do so by donating [http://n-dev.net/donate.php here].		If you'd like to donate and help contribute to this cause you can do so by donating [http://n-dev.net/donate.php here].



	= Contact information =		= Contact information =
	User [[User:Jl12\|Jl12]] is in charge of collecting the donations, and will deliver the final samples to [http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html the professional lab] for the chip decapping at the end of the fundraiser. Any more questions can be directed to him at his email address gspeer012 (at) gmail (dot) com		User [[User:Jl12\|Jl12]] is in charge of collecting the donations, and will deliver the final samples to [http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html the professional lab] for the chip decapping at the end of the fundraiser. Any more questions can be directed to him at his email address gspeer012 (at) gmail (dot) com
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Neimod at 10:42, 6 July 2013

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	There has been alot of tinkering with the 3DS since launch, and although there have been leaps and bounds due to the combined efforts of many contributors, much of what we're doing would be expedited by extracting the boot code and other proprietary information (secrets) from the custom Nintendo SoC (System-On-a-Chip) of a retail 3DS.		There has been alot of tinkering with the 3DS since launch, and although there have been leaps and bounds due to the combined efforts of many contributors, much of what we're doing would be expedited by extracting the boot code and other proprietary information (secrets) from the custom Nintendo SoC (System-On-a-Chip) of a retail 3DS.

			= UPDATE 06/07/2013 =
			The fundraiser will remain open until it raises approximately 2,300 in order to pay for the decapping and the applicable taxes. Thus the fundraiser is still running.

Neimod at 01:11, 12 November 2012

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	= Is this legal? =		= Is this legal? =
	Decapping a chip and reverse engineering it is ~~infact~~ legal in the US, and most likely in other countries too. Check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Chip_Protection_Act_of_1984 Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984], which states reverse engineering a chip is not prohibited.		Decapping a chip and reverse engineering it is in fact legal in the US, and most likely in other countries too. Check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Chip_Protection_Act_of_1984 Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984], which states reverse engineering a chip is not prohibited.

	However, we do not endorse piracy, and any information revealed by the chip decapping will be used to advance progress for homebrew applications and games on 3DS, not piracy.		However, we do not endorse piracy, and any information revealed by the chip decapping will be used to advance progress for homebrew applications and games on 3DS, not piracy.

Neimod at 20:34, 11 November 2012

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	Chip decapping has been used by the "emulation" community to reverse-engineer and recover data from special proprietary chips, such as those in SNES cartridges. It has also been used to to reverse-engineer other hardware to create emulators for other platforms besides the SNES.		Chip decapping has been used by the "emulation" community to reverse-engineer and recover data from special proprietary chips, such as those in SNES cartridges. It has also been used to to reverse-engineer other hardware to create emulators for other platforms besides the SNES.

			= Is this legal? =
			Decapping a chip and reverse engineering it is infact legal in the US, and most likely in other countries too. Check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Chip_Protection_Act_of_1984 Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984], which states reverse engineering a chip is not prohibited.

			However, we do not endorse piracy, and any information revealed by the chip decapping will be used to advance progress for homebrew applications and games on 3DS, not piracy.

	= How much? =		= How much? =

Neimod at 22:23, 2 November 2012

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	We're also considering giving contributors a copy of the images produced as thanks.		We're also considering giving contributors a copy of the images produced as thanks.

	To reiterate, what we're trying to do is: send in initially 1 3DS to a professional lab to get delayered and imaged (covering the costs of doing so). The resulting SEM images will be reconstructed and used towards discovering more of the hardware secrets inside the 3DS.		To reiterate, what we're trying to do is: send in initially 1 3DS to a professional lab to get delayered and imaged (covering the costs of doing so). The resulting SEM images will be reconstructed and used towards discovering more of the hardware secrets inside the 3DS.


	= How likely is this going to help progress? =		= How likely is this going to help progress? =
	It is not possible to give a clear answer on this until the 3DS SoC chip has been decapped. But consider the success story about the SNES decapping [http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/decap here]. There is no 100% guarantee that we will have the same success story, ~~but~~ we won't know until we try. We have a team of proven experts, anxious to have a very thorough look inside the SoC of the 3DS.		It is not possible to give a clear answer on this until the 3DS SoC chip has been decapped. But consider the success story about the SNES decapping [http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/decap here]. There is no 100% guarantee that we will have the same success story, since the technology is different and there might be more technological limitations. But we won't know until we try. We have a team of proven experts, anxious to have a very thorough look inside the SoC of the 3DS.

	The most likely focus points will be:		The most likely focus points will be:

Neimod at 22:09, 2 November 2012

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	= How likely is this going to help progress? =		= How likely is this going to help progress? =
	It is not possible to give a clear answer on this until the 3DS SoC chip has been decapped. But consider the success story about the SNES decapping [http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/decap here]. We have a team of proven experts, anxious to have a very thorough look inside the SoC of the 3DS~~. If there is something Nintendo wanted to hide, you can be sure it will be discovered~~.		It is not possible to give a clear answer on this until the 3DS SoC chip has been decapped. But consider the success story about the SNES decapping [http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/decap here]. There is no 100% guarantee that we will have the same success story, but we won't know until we try. We have a team of proven experts, anxious to have a very thorough look inside the SoC of the 3DS.

	The most likely focus points will be:		The most likely focus points will be:
	* the ~~bootROM~~, possibly containing flaws which allow us to take control of the system		* the boot ROM, possibly containing flaws which allow us to take control of the system
	* secret keys, hidden in hardware, used in cryptographic operations		* secret keys, hidden in hardware, used in cryptographic operations
	* secret algorithms, implemented in hardware to obscure information		* secret algorithms, implemented in hardware to obscure information

Neimod at 18:19, 2 November 2012

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	= Contact information =		= Contact information =
	User [[User:Jl12\|Jl12]] is in charge of collecting the donations, and will deliver the final samples to [http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html the professional lab] for the chip decapping at the end of the fundraiser. Any more questions can be directed to him at his email address ~~jingling0~~ (at) ~~yahoo~~ (dot) com		User [[User:Jl12\|Jl12]] is in charge of collecting the donations, and will deliver the final samples to [http://www.eaglabs.com/about-eag.html the professional lab] for the chip decapping at the end of the fundraiser. Any more questions can be directed to him at his email address gspeer012 (at) gmail (dot) com

Neimod at 18:15, 2 November 2012

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	We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).		We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).

	The numbers of layers is approximate because they likely don't know how many layers are in the SoC until they actually decap it. For now we're trying to reach their initial quote of $2000 USD and send in the 3DS to get it started. Later on we can still decide to have the remaining layers imaged.		The numbers of layers is approximate because they likely don't know how many layers are in the SoC until they actually decap it. In the worst case we estimate between 8 or 10 layers. For now we're trying to reach their initial quote of $2000 USD and send in the 3DS to get it started. Later on we can still decide to have the remaining layers imaged.

Neimod at 09:08, 2 November 2012

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	We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).		We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).

	The numbers of layers is approximate because they likely don't know how many layers are in the SoC until they actually decap it. For now we're trying to reach their initial quote of $2000+ USD and send in the 3DS to get it started. Later on we can still decide to have the remaining layers imaged.		The numbers of layers is approximate because they likely don't know how many layers are in the SoC until they actually decap it. For now we're trying to reach their initial quote of $2000 USD and send in the 3DS to get it started. Later on we can still decide to have the remaining layers imaged.

Neimod at 09:08, 2 November 2012

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	= How much? =		= How much? =
	We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).		We have gotten a price quote from a professional lab on the deal (removal, decap, delayer, SEM imaging) and it came out to $400 per layer of the chip, which they estimate will come to "about $2000 total". Plus the cost of the 3DS we will be donating for the hardware sample(s).

			The numbers of layers is approximate because they likely don't know how many layers are in the SoC until they actually decap it. For now we're trying to reach their initial quote of $2000+ USD and send in the 3DS to get it started. Later on we can still decide to have the remaining layers imaged.